Naruto Manga Chapter 395
Friday, March 28, 2008
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First !!!! and im new to these parts. lol ;d
wow could he really make his body parts vanish this is getting good i wonder what are they going to do with sasuke
finally it shows someone seeing madaras sharingan. now the good shit can happen. madaras jutsu is pretty cool i mean taking parts of your body and removing them from space time thats pretty sick. and i still wonder if we will ever get to see some of zetsu jutsu hes gotta be good if hes in akatsuki
lmao aloe vera hehe. i think zetsu is going to pick up and take sasuke or something. madara's jutsu was cool, and the last fight with him, naruto, and sasuke should be amazing. jk i dont know whats gonna happen.
KAKASHI FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome, I can't wait for the next one. Obviamente Sasuke no murio, pero ira Tobi a donde él está? Yo creo que si, wow. Ira el autor a dar porfin la pelea de los otros dos que faltan??? God me quedo con las ganas de mas!!!
This sucks, i thought that the only one who could use space/time jutsu was the fourth. I can't wait for naruto to show his "that jutsu" and kill everybody.:)
they didn't spell jutsu right:
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Wow im in the top 10 yay n e ways i wonder if marada;s trying to train sasuke from sumthing and thats why hes after him
Why is tobi after sasuke any way. he better not be a child molestor like orochimaru. and when the hell is he going to take of that fuckin mask. he's like michael jackson when he's in public.
Doesn't Tobi seem a little too childish to be Madara?
Tobi
obito all tobi is missing is an "O" if you unscramble it. An "O" like his eye.
Tobi > fourth.
ppl can now stfu about "OMG THE FOURTH IS TOO FAST SO U CANT NVR HIT HIM, fourth is the best!!" I guess Tobi owns him now, his are even MORE advanced then the fourths =) He doesnt use hand seals and doesnt need to tag b4 teleporting. Which its more quicker and more deadly. The only special thing the fourth had was the spacetime ninjutsu, other skills were not any special, tobi(Uchiha) pwned him lol.
Tobi > all ninjas =)
Wow this site is finaly back up, also madara is not better then the 4th, and to say all the 4th had was his space time jutsu shows your ignorence, we do not know every thing the 4th was capable of nor do we know what madara is able to do.
Madara is not tobi, by saying just look at the name there is only 1 letter missing shows ignorence, in japanese tobi and obito are spelt nothing alike.
Madara seemed sure itachi was going to win, I am thinking it is madara that attacked and enjoured itachi before he faught with sasuke.
Tobi's time space does seem impresive but every thing has a weekness, have you noticed that tobi only uses it when he is standing still. I am think he is able to move his body or body parts out of space time, but when he brings them back he can't move them to a new location. Also the whole reason for the mask might be cause of that jutsu,what if tobi made a mistake when mastering it and half his face is traped out side of space time.
Correction, madara seemed sure itachi was going to lose not win sorry bout that.
ir isa remotely possible tobi is orbito, after all kakashi took orbito's right eye, and so far we've only seen tobi's left sharingan.
it is remotely possible tobi is orbito, after all kakashi took orbito's right eye, and so far we've only seen tobi's left sharingan.
the 4th is still the best, and only naruto should be able to surpass him.
fuck u ppl!!!tobi is obito!! look, obito gave his left sharingan to kakashi and we've only seen his right eye and the reason for the mask is because his fucking face was crushed by fucking boulders!!!k?k...
Deathwalker, stop caling people ignorant. Bad manners have mad all the good theorists leave this site, and it's sad. As for if Tobie is Madara or Obito, it's hard to tell at the moment since EVERYTHING we say about it is just theories. He wont be either of them for sure BEFORE it's published in the manga. But it does point to Obito in my opinion, beeing that he lost half his face the same way Tobie has.
As for your explanation to why madara would be using a mask like that, I'd say it is a valid explanation. A bit far fetched but it could be valid.
But you still need something pointing towards that he is madara. Not just that madara might also look like that.
As for his Jutsu, I thought the same thing you did at first but then I noticed that he does move one time. When he disapears after beeing trapped by shinos buggs he apears on a branch. If he had apeared on the same place they would'nt have to look for him.
Tobi > 4th already
They said only naruto can surpass him because they didnt know a lot of the stuff they do now. 4th Hokage wasn't the best ninja ever btw, he was just a powerful hokage who happened to create rasengan and use spacetime ninjutsu which up to now they thought only the fourth can use. but NOT.
What if? what if tobi is using 4th hokages body since 4th hokage is connected to the kyuubi as well as Madara, probably he can use spacetime ninjutsu by stealing his body/skills and advancing them with the sharingan?? lol. Just a thought, who knows probably madara can use techniques just by looking at them o.O;
AH!! TOBI!!!
I knew i was right when i thought he was bad ass in battle!!! I love the way he just avoided Kiba's attack! He just sliped out of the way. Sorry had to do that... HUGE Tobi/Madara fan for those who don't know!
PS for those who care sorry i was gone so long for some reason when i came on it said the site was down...
death walker you got some good theories man the whole mask being to cover his missing face that would be cool to see. o and to everyone whos like the fourths not as good as madara thats bullshit. minato was born with raw talent no special powers like sharingan or kyuubi he was just like naruto and never quit thats why he is the best plus rasengan is cool as all hell konohas yellow flash groups of ninja jounin or anbu ninja were given a flee on command order when seeing him thats power. i would llike to think that if madara had controlled the ninetails before he would of had a talk with it like sasuke did when first seeing naruto again. you would think the kyuubi would tell naruto.
finally this site is working properly again, this chapter was pretty awsome, now we know how tobi manages to avoid attacks and konoha now knows that they are up against another sharingan user, i dont think it will be long before we find out if tobi really is using someones body or if it is just madara.
I think madra battle the 4th when he summoned the nine tail fox at the beginning of the story I think he copied that technique from the 4th and learned how too advance it
Tobi 4-ever! Damn he already pawned them, and he didn't really do anything! This is totally my fav. chapter so far! And i agree with Cloud Strife, "Tobi > all ninjas =)" Tobi is just awsome!
Telly
I had the same thought in my mind, i mean you saw what sasuke was capable of doing to the chidori, he took it to legnths that kakashi would be jealous of, so its not unreal to think that someone else with the sharingan could do the same to a different technique.
it was obvious that something was wrong with itachi when he and kisame went to capture the 4 tailed jinchuruki after they beat it itachi was kinda weakened n then kisame said something about it to him
I don't get it why people are comparing the madara to the 4th. the madara is not even the last villain in naruto so of course his weaker then the 4th hokage. the 4th was the strongest and so far we only seen two of his moves and they are of the highest level.
plus the madara been around for years, he was even way powerfull before he got his ass kicked by the 1st, so of course after 100yr he would have become way more powerfull.
people always used to say how powerfull itachi was but the bitch ended up fainted right before his goal.
Bleach rocks.
I have a feeling Madara has Obito's body or something. He will probably go for Sasuke now and get his missing eye.
Or you know, I'm probably all wrong.
Itachi is nice, wtf. Nigga was weakened b4 the fight, confirmed
Tobi > All
Itachi is a bitch, the bastard took the short cut to power and died like a bitch at the end.The madara used him and throwed the bitch away.
The madara is also gone get his ass handed to him,The first kicked his ass, the 4th also did it and now is naruto turn to kick his ass.
The man failed as much as naruto did when he was in the ninja academy
To HAhaHAhaHA - Madara never fighted 4th. And how did Itachi took a shortcut to power?
Tobi has a normal sharingan. Not a magenkyou sharingan. New questions are raised.
Firstly, I don't think that that Tobi is better than Minato. I mean Minato was bloody powerful and had a "flee on sight", pointer put in him. On top of that he was able to beat Kyuubi, and by proxy beat Madara, who I speculate summoned it.
The fact is Minato was a genius who not only pushed himself to get title of the best and become Yondaime, he was able to invent an unfinished jutsu that can still f**k up most ninja. Plus all we know is the two jutsu that Minato was able to use, but maybe he had an equally powerful arsenal of Taijutsu and Genjutsu.
Now I believe that Tobi is probably Madara and not Obito (so please stop this). It was mentioned before in the manga that Tobi=Madara and Pein acknowledged this. As of yet I think only Kakashi realised that Tobi is a sharingan user.
Personally I think that the series is being built, at the moment, for Tobi to be the new antagonist who both Naruto/Sasuke have to defeat. The reasons are for this...(making the assumption that Tobi=Madara)
Naruto: Tobi/Madara took control of Kyuubi, attacked Konoha and in turn caused Naruto's father Minato to sacrifice himself. Two words: Revenge Baby!!
Sasuke: Tobi/Madara pulled the strings on Itachi, making him kill the entire Uchiha clan. Sasuke would want revenge against the man who made him lose a brother, family and clan.
The catalyst for all the major goings on in the Narutoverse is Tobi/Madara. And everyone will want his head, no wonder he has to hide behind a mask.
There is still a lot that we are yet to be told/see, 1) The toad with the message on Pein, 2) Pein's history and how Jiraiya beat those peeps (Jiraiya Gaiden is on order...lol), 3) What the bloody-hell is Zetsu's fighting ability, 4) Tsunade's reaction to Jiraiya's death, 5)Kisame vs. Snake.
Since Kishi said that this series is about Sasuke I guess we are gonna get a Sasuke retrieval arc. Pt. II. So its gonna be Konoha. vs Snake. vs Akatsuki for Sasuke's body.
Ahh well...sorry for this long post, but I haven't said something for a loooong time.
P.S: Konan Forever...That Biatch is feisty. Meeow...
P.S.S: I actually think that Madara's main focus is the Kyuubi and he will use Sasuke, as he did his own brother/Tiachi/the Uchiha clan to get it. If Sasuke's plan is to rebuild the Uchiha then its pretty obvious that Madara is going to play on that.
P.S.S.S: Kyuubi is at the centre of this whole mess, probably had a plethora of information yet fails to impart it on poor Naruto. Seriously, I think Naruto should begin having regular chats/coffee breaks with the fox within.
Sorry...
Ya-ha
No nigga, the fourth didnt beat Madara or the kyuubi, he just locked the kyuubi up.. He didnt beat SHIT, fag killed himself trying to be cool " LOOK GUYS I LOCKED THE KYUUBI!"
Itachi owns 95% of ninjas And tobi owns ALL. Peace out!
Dont act like a racist Cloudstrife. It doesn't only embarass yourself, but this site to. And as for your theory of Tobi using the 4:th Hokages body, it's a bit far fetched. It would be easier for him to just copy it with his sharingan. Both obito and madara has it. Madara has been around long enough to do it and Obito was even the 4:th student. EIther way it would be simple. And also, orochimaru has the 4:th hokages body, he tries to use it in battle against the third hokage.
If you beleive that Madara is stronger than the fourth and that the fourth wasn't the strongest Shinobi so far (maybe he wasn't, but i'd realy say he and the sannin are the greatest) you'll have to say some evidence for it.
If you prove it I'll respect it, if you just go all racial mini fhurer and act like a jerk no one will respond to your theories and you'll just help take the fun out of this manga.
im not goin to say anything written here is true, im just writting this to make a few things clear.
1, obito had his right eye removed and we have only seen tobi's right eye. this means they probably arent the same person unless there is some weird circumstances which has not been shown to us yet.
2, obito and tobi are not spelt the same in japanese so dont go around saying there is only 1 letter different.
3, the fourth was known for his space/time jutsu but that doesnt mean it was his only skill. he was known as a prodigy and therefore must have had other skill that we dont know about because details about him are so vague.
my only theory about the next chapter is that maybe tobi is interested in sasukes eyes because he couldnt use itachis eyes cause they were near useless from over use.
This doesnt mean that he is or isnt madara tho
Sounds good jason. I do agree with most you say but your wrong about 2things.
1) Obito didn't loose his right eye, he lost his left. You can check it on this site when it's working again.
2) When madar afirst took his brothers sharingan eyes, they where completly blind, an even worse state than Itatchis. So it doesn't seem to matter how damaged the eyes are from over use as long as it's someone elses.
Heres how I see things there are those how are pure genius and there those how are gifted genius the pure genius are the people like the 4th hokage who basically created their own jutsu's through hard work the gifted genius are like madra and pein they use the sharnigan a the like too learn jutsu's from others the 4th too me like many pf the hokages before him is a pure genius one who created jutsu's that in a incomplete state are more kick-ass then alot completed jutsu's
Tobi/Madara totally saw that Itachi would lose. He even said ,"Not. Just as I predicted."
Narutofan-jason is right. Obitos left side was crushed. No way Tobis could have swapped bodies and kept it or even use the fourths body.
Did anyone try to think that maybe Madara had his right eyed plucked out or had been injured in a fight, maybe with the first.
Its funny because some people keep going on that Tobi is Obito, there’s no way. There probably just manga/anime obsessed guys who get the rush from just thinking about it.
Tobi is just madara, ok.
For his powers no one can say. Hes ability to let things pass through him, or teleport his body or body parts could come from a couple of things. He could be an undead ghost, a teleport master,move his body molecules so fast that solid objects just pass through, or just gay. Who knows? We just have to watch and see.
Here's my thoughts on the whole Tobi=Madara/Obito thing. How much you want to bet they're both alive? I'm willing to bet that Madara is controlling things from behind the scenes to the point that not even Pein knows and that Obito is acting as his front face, a stand in if you will. There's too many things that seem to link Tobi and Obito (Being a chicken and right eyed) while Madara probably taught him what he knew in exchange for the security. I'm willing to bet not even Itachi knew. I'm also willing to bet that last week's theory, the whole "Take my eyes" thing is true and that Itachi really was a good guy, killing ninja, seeing them as a necessary sacrifice to take out the bigger fish. As long as Madara, the real one, make it to Sasuke first, how much you wanna bet Sasuke will become immortal and will have to break the secrets of the Mengokyu sharingan to be able to kill Madara, who will probibly have him enslaved in some sharingan genjutsu that has yet to be introduced.
Wow, guessing without any real proof is fun! But I think I have a point...
Jasmin your full of it. I mean that in a good way.
Madara is tobi, hes not in the sidline. Its him. Ther's nothing more to it.
but i do agree on that itachi was making it all look like an act, yet if he would have won he would have still taken his brothers eyes. No doubt about it.
But it still makes you wonder what would sauske do with his old eyes, keep em safe, hide them, or destroy them. cause if itachi or madara got a hold of his old eyes that cause more problems.
shouldn't itach and sauske just trade eyes wouldn't tha be easier. you know if itachi is a good guy and wants to kill madadra. just pointing out the obvious.
getting EMS is done through jutsu not by hands lol. the jutsu requires 4 eyes, 2 of brother, 2 of the OTHER brother. the jutsu recreates them back to 2 eyes total.
I wish people could stop saying that Tobi is madara, like it's for sure whitout having any evidence for it. Truth is we dont know if he's Obito or madara. FOR ALL WE KNOW IT COULD BE SOMEONE ELSE. So stop saying it's a fact if you dont have any evidence, it's not a theori if it's based on how you think it should be.
TheVendictor:
Start reading the manga all over from where Jiraiya is fighting Pain, start reading from there up to manga 395. Then maybe you'll change your idea on who Tobi is,
Tobi Is UCHIHA Madara, we dont know what or who's body he's using, he could be using his own i dont know, it could be a jutsu to switch bodies/personalities during diff situations, theres just so much evidence that Tobi = Madara, TOO MUCH. i wish gameboy was here to explain that tobi = madara WITH EVIDENCE, he's good with stuff like that.. He can explain it much better than i can
PS: this site is dead/boring
Yeah, yeah. There's a ton of evidence but you just cant explain it. Sounds great. And if the site is booring, just leave. No ones forcing you to be here.
I dont need to explain it, its already explained, why dont u go read for yourself lazy fuck, but u need someone else to tutor you. How much more fucking evidence do u need, you gotta be pretty fucking retarded not to get it by now.
I suggest you read the manga all over again, start from where Jiraiya just lost the battle, Read it b4 you ruin the site completely and embarrass Naruto
There it is again, cloud strife. ENough with the bad attitude, your just embarassing yourself. I'm not interested in fighting with some random guy over the internet. Especialy not over some random (even if realy good) manga. If you cant say what evidences you have, dont call it your theories. Call it your opinion. And that you get so mad and start insulting, just proves me beeing right frustrates you. I'm not saying he's tobie and I'm not saying he's madara. It's just my opinion that he's probably Tobie, but if anyone has a good idea as to why he isnt I'd be glad if they told me. Not just "stfu I'm right your wrong gg kk thx bb bbq now go home". That just isn't enough explanation for me. ^_^
Now if ll you have for me is another insult, dont bother cause, as said, some random guy from the webb at some random manga fansite isn't realy going to manage to piss me off.
TheVendictor:
I hope you can "stfu" now. Here take a look,
confirmed:
http://naruto-xx.blogspot.com/
just scroll a lil down kk? =) If you dont wana believe this LOL, then seriously go kill yourself, your just wasting space here on earth.
Now CLoud Strife, that strongly implies that it's NOT Obito Uchia since his face is smashed. However, it looked nothing like Madara either. Nor his face in recolections or the statue in the valley of ends. Madara simply was never fat. ^^ And as for it beeing Obito, it's still a possibility that it's him or his. A stronger version of Kabutos regeneration ability could do the trick. Or the summoning jutsu that orochimaru uses on the first and second hokages also completly reanimates any damage the body suffers instantly. So if it is tobie that has been ressurected, it would explain why his face has been healed ( and why he's fat and somewhat of a coward with a "naruto" sense of humor instead of normal villans) in either case... You and I should'nt debate it. I'm not going to waste my breat anymore, asking you to cut out with the insults. Simply becaus it's to late, you already have imbarassed yourself and more importantly this website, that people work so hard to maintain. You dont have any theories of your own, you brag and rant baout how much evidence there is about him beeing madara, and all you got is a spoiler that you googled after. No matter how hard someone like you tries, you will never be able to find a reliable evidence in the manga upp 'till now saying exactly who he is. Just as before, you only have your "opinion" drenched with insults from someone who sounds realy frustrated with life. If you cant sleep without getting the last insult, you can goahead. I'll do you that favor. But in either case, I'm done talking to you. I wont be responding to any of your posts and I dont want you responding to mine either. Cause I dont feel you have anything valid to say. Bye Cloudstrife.
Ps. It's racist people like you, who just keep ranting on with insults that made Gameboy leave this site in the first place. Thats why he's not here proving that Tobie is madara.
the guys that think madara copied the tech. of the 4th are wrong because the tech. of the 4th cant be copied because that tech is TO fast to copie not even the byakugan can folow it ore def against it
first of all THERE'S NO PROOF OF ANYTHING! These are all theories till they become facts, and fighting like a bunch of 10 year olds on the internet is not only pointless but has random people in Ohio (Like me) laughing at you! Secondly, TheVindicator, lol@bbq.
You have your opinions, I have mine, they have theirs, but till Tobi actually says who he is or something like that it's all just theoretical possibilities.
Also, there are 2 sets of eyes, 4 total. The first set doesn't disappear...
Also, My new thought, does this mean Kakashi is partially immortal now?
TheVendictor:
Okay Look at the eyes and compare them, they also have very similar faces except one of them has grown old. You dont have to respond just look, So it doesn't seem like im wasting my breath on you AGAIN.
Young Madara:
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/17/
Old Madara/Tobi:
http://naruto-xx.blogspot.com/
Please look at them carefully, you might reconsider, Tobi = Madara, There should be enough proof by now.
Anyways I'm done with you for now, dont wana believe it? Then its up to you.. I dont care anymore
fuck man, I was expecting Madara to LOOK young like tsunade, this guy is old eww.
Quote: "So it doesnt seem like im wasting my breath on you AGAIN."
EDIT: So it doesn't seem like I'm typing for nothing for you AGAIN.
My Comments: Happy April Fools! ehehe ehehe... (waiting for real spoiler pics ^_^)
it says that at the bottom, so in the end it wasn't even a real spoiler D:
I almost fell for it too xDDD
plus, it says "chapter 396, this is 395, I really doubt tobi would give himself up right away xD
so anyway, about this chapter...aaaahhh i didn't want sasuke to win at all D: xD
but I guess it was kind of obvious he would u___u
and now I really want to know how Tobi's jutsu works P:
because he's not using mangekyou..well at least that's what it looks like..anyway xD can't wait for the next chapter :D
Look at the picture closer, you can see the bottom part is Chiyo baa-sama and the top part is the madara.
Shit i fell for it. Though I still know for a fact that Tobi is really Uchiha Madara, Be mad funny if that pic is real LOL. reason I believed it is cause the spoilers usually come out on tuesdays
Ya-ha
I gotta agree with you about grandma chiyo thingy, Im like its weird Madara looks kinda familiar like Grandma chiyo, fat cheeks and the mouth (ewww). Tobi acts like a child so im guessing he has a young body
Yes i got fooled on april fools day. FUCKED UP. Said verification: Confirmed so i guess i kinda believed it.
TOBI = UCHIHA MADARA Just wait and see.
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we need to see th kisame and hebi fight, im sure it will provide us with information concerning suigetsu and his childhood since he seems to know kisame from way back. I think it will uncover the truth about if him and sai are brothers or it may strongly hint it.
224....288.....306....371.....
Gameby
what are you reffering to with these numbers?
Gameboy has returned to us!!!!! Those numbers are probably series in the manga with evidence about tobie/madara. Poor bastard cant speak though. :/ He promised not to. Hmm, btw... Didn't he have numbers in his name? o0
Ahh... Godamnit... When is this site going to work properly again? :/ I want to check those episodes.
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Wasting your breath, Wow, someone's PMSy. I'm just saying, it's all guesswork. :P Anyway, lol @ the joke confirmation
Wow, some of you are REALLY stuck in your thoughts! It's a manga all! It's all in good fun and bad taste.
I mean that, if you've ever eaten a manga page, you know what I mean.
http://naruto-xx.blogspot.com/
lol seems like Pain does not Fear uchiha Madara, cause he's a mortal and pain himself thinks he's a god,
Judging from the looks of it, seems as if Pain might be the final boss. And he's probably the strongest.
Oh and Seems as if Madara is going to sasuke to advance his sharingan even further. I wonder what he's going to do to sasuke
Chapter 396: The gathering darkness
Begins with Konoha Shinobi and Madara. Madara disappears while Kakashi looks on horrified.
Kakashi(Thinking):Impossible there should be no one left with the Sharingan other then Itachi and Sasuke
Yamato:Whats wrong Kakashi-sempai you look ill
Kakashi:That man was in possesion of the Sharingan!
Everyone(except Zetsu):!!!!!
Yamato:If thats the case we should go after him immediatly
Naruto:No we have to go after Sasuke you heard that Venus fly trap man....Sasuke is dieing!
White Zetsu: Venus Fly Trap Man!!!!
Black Zetsu:I told you to ignore him
White Zetsu: Don't worry Shinobi of Konoha that man is heading to the same location as Sasuke and your more then welcome to follow him if you can....
Black Zetsu: Get past us that is.
Scene Shifts to Tsunade in the same place she was in when seeing the frog a few chapters ago. Ma toad jumps out of the pond this time
Tsunade: Elder Toad Sage?
Ma:Swimming this far at my age should be out of the question
Ma:For a last request that kid sure was demanding
Tsunade: Last request.....Where is Jiriaya!
Ma:When i left him he was still fighting the guy with the six path ways eye with Pa, but...
Ma:Just by looken at his face before i left....i could tell he wasn't commin back
Tsunade grabs Ma toad by the collar with tears in her eyes
Tsunade:Your lying....he just sent you here to tell me that so i wouldn’t smash his face in for spending extra time on the way back peeping at girls
Ma:Snap out of it the hokage can not be seen in such an emotional fit....if you don't believe me then pretend i didn't say anything
Ma:Right now we have to honor that kid's dying wish....and help to find out the secret of the Six path ways kid!
Tsunade:Six Path Ways, but that means!
Scene changes to Pain and Kannon they are inside the chamber that holds his bodies
Pain:Kannon report what have you discovered with your paper jutsu
Kannon:Madara is on his way to Uchiha Sasuke right now, but...
Kannon:Is it really okay to allow Madara to advance the Sharingan further?
Pain opens a whole in the wall at the back of the chamber and steps through it followed by Kannon....the last two pages are a double page spread of a chamber with a glass flask containing a shriveled body inside. The back wall has the 9 eyes of the hell god statue with the 8th eye clicking open(leaving only the 9th left). Wires and tubing are all over the room and on the left and right side of the wall there are 5 sets of six different bodies(30 bodies in all) plugged into the same storage capsuls as the previous six.
Pain: Do not fear the false King...for no matter how much power a mortal can achieve in this world he will never match up to the power of a....
Pain:God!
Side Text: Pain's Secret Revealed?....The power that does not fear even Uchiha Madara
Since alot of people wanted me to come back so badly, even Holmes221 emailed me and wanted me back on her site, so i didnt want to make everyone upset so i guess it would be better for me to come back.....
To Cloudstrife:
Yeah, that spoiler with pein seems plausible. Its already been proven in the manga that Pein doesnt have a good relationship with madara.
Look at chap 364
After madara barked at pein, and left, konan looked at peins face and said the sky cries again and pein had an expression on his face like he didnt like madara.
http://67.228.163.6/mangas/00000004/00000364/19.jpg
why would konan say this out of nowwhere after madara was leaving?
So it makes sense with the spoiler too.
Plus, most people say pein used everything he could already so theres no more secrets behind him...but we only saw one battle with the rinnegan, plus since hes going to be one of the final villains, hes going to have other secrets other than the ones we have seen, and his secret weapons in the spoiler make sense with the spoiler too. I have read other spoilers, but this one seems more likely.
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By the way im not having another madara/obito/tobi debate anymore. Its already over and confirmed.
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8049/itsmadaraef5.jpg
This is the OFFICIAL character summary page in vol 41.
Tobi's Picture has Madara written on it. Its over now
Madara=Tobi
obito theorists could go on now, i dont mind. But they'll eventually learn the truth.
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lol hi gameboy long time no see^^
to gameboy:
we all know tobi is madara but!!!
madara's bod is way to old!!
couldt u imagine a dunno 80+ ninja fighting????
maybe u can i but i dont:D
so thats why the obito=tobi=madara thinks its obito not because ITS obito but its only his body that madara is controlling
comment please
srry for bad english^^
oww lol when i read my comment i see BIG mistakes ill rewrite^^
to gameboy:
we all know tobi is madara but!!!
madara's body is way to old!!
can u imagine a dunno 80+ ninja fighting????
maybe u can but i dont:D
so thats why the obito=tobi=madara believers think its obito
not because ITS obito but its only his body that madara is controlling
coment please
lol
tell me why Madara should wear a mask if it's sure that he is Madara?
I hate people who think they are 100% sure. Don't worry i don't need to talk to you cuz i will piss you off after Tobi's revealin.oh and please don't say he's trying to hide his identity. i think madara has done a good job hiding his identity as of yet. he created akatsuki to do so, and almost everyone in the narutoverse, thinks he either died during the battle with the first, or died of old age. so what would be the point of a guy who's got two things that hide his identity to wear a mask?
-.-
Gameboy
yo good to have you back, I almost felt guilty for having that stupid argument with you >_>; and for what?, for nothing lol. Anyways uhh were gona need to to warm up the site a lil bit, give it some exercise, site is kinda dead.
To Madrane:
You think its hard to imagine an old man as a shinobi? Well its harder to imagine madara using a destroyed body that was completely decomposed before he used kyuubi. Thats even harder to believe. Sure there were old shinobis. The third hokage, Jiraya....theres alot, and just because they are old dont mean they are weak, they are powerful too.
To Minato:
No need to reply to you since you already countered yourself. It was confirmed that Madara HID from everyone. It was confirmed that he CREATED akatsuki to hide in it. add them together and you'll understand why he wears the mask and has a different name. Its because hes trying to hide his true identity. But theres more to the mask....maybe something happened to him during his fight with the first hokage, he probably got badly injured in the face so thats another explanation of why there is only one eye hole.
Let me ask you something.
What would happen if madara revealed his face?
Konoha would learn who he was
Konoha could then learn how to defeat him.
His plans will be known and foiled.
Do you think madara would want all this to happen? He has no reason to show his face. It would interfere with his plans.
To cloudstrife:
Dont worry, its just a thing of the past. Just forget about it. Lets see if i can bring the site back from the dead.
to gameboy:
yea i know that the 3rd and jirauya were old but powerfull
but i said madara is TO old
ok lets say madara is about the same age as the 1st hokage right?
well when the 1st was still alive the 3rd hokage was just a little man about the age of konoharu.
well the 3rd is know old even dead lol^^
well imagine madara then!!!
To Madrane:
Akatsuki is special for defying age. Examples
Sasori: Hes extremely old, but his appearance is of a little boy. How? His method, he has heart transfer to live longer.
Hidan: lol, hes just infinite age, he doesnt die of age, heck, he doesnt die at all. How? Its a gif from his god for being religious and following the faith. some people say its from a kekei genkei, this is wrong. If it was kekei genkei, hidans family members would be still alive and there would be a clan of people that live infinitely, which is highly unlikely. Plus, Hidans age is somewhere around 20-26 meaning he acquired his immortality around that age, not naturally.
Kakuzu: He lived during the time of the first hokage, same time where madara was still alive. How is he still alive? He collects hearts and has different slots of them so he can live longer.
Orochimaru: He continues to live by using his soul transfer method.
As you can see, most of the akatsuki members have methods of living longer. What makes you think the CREATOR OF AKATSUKI doesnt have a method of living longer too? And its most definitely NOT soul transfer. What is it then? Its already explained in the manga. His EMS made him immortal, as Itachi said.
lol, feels good to debate here again
To gameboy and madrane:
I agree with madrane, tobi=madaara=obito's body, just because there is nothing in the manga that deny the possibility.
So if you prove this wrong, it's possible, in fact there many things that lead to this.
lol
Sorry, "If you can't prove this wrong"
To Daniel:
Okay, i see your thesis. Now tell me why he would choose obito out of all the uchihas. Tell me why he would choose a destroyed uchiha body thats weak, and has an eye missing, and another one crushed by tons of boulders? Explain to me why he didnt use other powerful uchiha bodies.
Explain to me how he controlled kyuubi with a crappy uchiha body. Since kyuubi striked konoha after obitos event. That means obitos body was decomposed.
To Daniel:
By the way, if you say its because he needed to be immortal, its already confirmed in the manga that his ems helped him live longer
To gameboy:
This is just what I beleave, the events in kakashi gaiden are many years later from the foundation of konoha, so Madara was very old, so at that time he probably couldn't take possesion of a stronge Uchiha, so Obito was the perfect chance to take a younger body.
About the body you can heal many injuries in naruto series that are nearly impossible in realaty, like Neji's when he fought that spider guy.
And the fact that Madara only attacked konoha one year after kakashi gaiden it's because only then you with a new body it ws possible for him to do that, I think
And why was kakashi the fist to notice the sharingan in Tobi?? Everyone is saying that the Big staff that will happen with kakashi is he becoming Hokage, but I think it's also finding is the best friend that he tougth died all this time.
Yes the EMS is the tool needed to make the perfect possession jutsu. Not like oro's.
Sorry about the bad english in the previous post, but my keyboard is strange.
To Daniel:
I'll counter them in order starting from the first point you made
1. Madara has nothing to do with Kakashi Gaiden. Kakashi Gaiden is just a side story. Look up the word Gaiden and you'll understand. Kakashi Gaiden was supposed to just explain how kakashi got his sharingan. If it was supposed to be in depth about his life, they would have explained Rin, but they never explained rin other than that of gaiden.
2. I know you can heal almost any injuries in the naruto universe. But why would madara do all that for just obitos body? Whats special about obito that other uchihas dont have? if obito was special, he would be known amongst the other uchihas and have some sort of special status.
3. The fact that madara attacked after obitos death explains more that he couldnt have used obitos body, because his body was already decomposed by the time that event occurred meaning madara couldnt control kyuubi with obitos messed up, destroyed, half eaten by maggots and worms, body.
3. Why kakashi noticed tobis sharingan first? Uh...because kakashi seems to be the leader of the squad and he had to pay the most attention and focus on the lead enemy.
Why would ems make a possession tool? Its already stated ems helped madara become immortal, thats all you need to know how he is still living. And yet you go on with more abilities on living longer. They already said he was immortal because of ems.
I almost faced palmed myself to death XD, i probably have a hole in my face now, jk
Got anything else? If you do, save it for later, i gotta go now
To gameboy:
Ok I'll recounter you point to point too
1. Yes gaiden is a side story to explain some staff about kakashi, but that doesn't mean kishi couldn't use it to present us Obito too. And that kinda of suspicious death where you never see him death in fact.
2. I already told you that Madara took Obito because he was weak after that many years and he couldn't take a strong uchiha because of that. And Obito IS important, he was kakashi's best friend and a good shinobi like naruto. Perfect to the story.
3. How do you know that Obito's body was decomposed? Minato's team leaved that place imediatly to fullfil the mission, so Madara could take over very quick. And the attack on konaha was One Year later, so the injuries ware probably all healed.
4. When did Itashi said that is the EMS that turned Madara immortal? EMS are permanent MS that give bird to new abilities, that's what Itashi said, and one of them could be a immortal jutsu like the space-time jutsu.
To Daniel:
Recounter a counter? Uh...okay, i guess, lol
1. What makes you think a side story has something to do with one of the final villains? It was simply to introduce us to kakashis former comrades and how they lived and how kakashi got the sharingan. Nothing more, nothing less.
2. He was weak? He had the ems, the strongest form of sharingan, how the heck was he weak? Just because obito was kakashis best friend makes him special compared to other uchihas? Shisui was itachis best friend, what happened to him? is he a major part of the story? Okay then. Lets move on to your next counter.
3. Do i really need to counter this? Everyone knows that the Anbu hunters instantly locate a body with a kekkei genkei so nobody tries to find out the secrets via the dead body. Anbu would have destroyed the body since obito had the sharingan. for more info on the anbu hunters that destroy dead bodies with kekei genkei, refer to the beginning of the series with haku and it will explain it.
4. In the final page of 385, itachi talks about madara learning the final secret of the sharingan and then saying he was immortal
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/385/17/
Thank you for reading, have a nice day.
To gameboy:
Don't compare Itashi with kakahsi, Itashi is a secondary character like jiraya, tsunade, shikamaru and more. Kakashi is a major character like sasuke, naruto and sakura.
Again makes sense to eliminate kekkei genkai's owners when the abilities are always active like byakugan, sharingan is only active when the users want to, so there's no need to eliminate the body, and most of all you never see that happening so how can you say that it happened??
More when Itashi talked about Madara he didn't said that just possessing the EMS made Madara immortal, he talks about the EMS being a permanent MS and later says Madara was immortal nothing more.
And Madara even possessing the EMS could be weak if the body was weak, zetsu said during the fight between Sasuke and Itashi that Sharingan is a tool like a shuriken so you need a stronge body to use it properly, you can see that again when Lee beated Sasuke, Sasuke could see the taijutsu but because his body could keep up he got beat.
Now I will sleep it's too late here, post your counter anyways so I see it later.
Bye
To Daniel:
wtf are you talking about? Shisui was an important character but wasnt even talked about. If it wasnt for shisui, the po po (if you know street talk in new york, we say this for police, so they dont know we are talking about them, lol) wouldnt fight itachi and become suspicious of him. He even impacted itachis life, since he said he was like an older brother to itachi.
wtf do you mean they wont eliminate kekkei genkei bodies? Anyone can take a sharingan out of a uchihas body and use it for their own, do you think anbu would let that happen? They wouldnt let a person with bad intentions use the sharingan. What do you mean anbu never did that? Check the manga again. im too tired to look for the page, but it says anbu hunters destroy bodies of kekei genkei users that died so nobody gets em and uses their secrets.
for your last counter i'll use your own quote to counter you.
Quote from you
"And Madara even possessing the EMS could be weak if the body was weak, zetsu said during the fight between Sasuke and Itashi that Sharingan is a tool like a shuriken so you need a stronge body to use it properly"
thats my counter for your last segment of the comment, your own quote, lol. Obitos body was weak, crappy, destroyed. and you just said ems needed a strong body. So you just countered yourself.
Laterz. I gotta go to sleep
To Gameboy...
Here's my counters, though they may not be as good or as well thought out as Daniels.
1. The three predominant people in the Kakashi Gaiden series were Kakashi, Obito and Minato. Rin was there, but barely. Maybe it was to introduce a major villain as well, after all, who makes a better villain than the ex-best friend of one character and a student of the father of the other? Maybe Rin is Konan. Ya never know.
2. Madara would have been weak because he was OLDER THAN DIRT!! Even with immortality you can still have problems. Maybe he was left crazy? Oh, proven! He pulled the eyes out of his BROTHER'S HEAD!! I think that's pretty much insane.
Sorry about yelling (?) On that one, but if I pulled my sibling's eyes out and replaced mine with theirs I'd be in the nut house about now.
3. They only destroy the body if they can reach it. After being in a rocky cave in they may have gone, looked and said "Screw that! I'm not moving a mountain to find a dead kid." Honestly, could you blame them? There's already proof that not all ninja do their jobs correctly. (Mizuki for instance)and they've never mentioned finding or not finding a body.
4. Yeah, I can't contest this one. Sorry, Daniel, but I did read that chapter. Madara is Immortal, unless as I said earlier, Madara is really dead and Obito's just REALLY crazy, but even I don't really believe that one.
Wow, a lot happened while I was trying to find Mizuki's name!
Daniel, I know what you're talking about with the not elliminating a Kekkei Genkai body, but that was just Hizashi. They had special circumstances there.
And to Gameboy, yeah, you may need a strong body to have the powers and all, but this is the Narutoverse. If you can heal someone who had the muscles around their heart to the point of them talking within a minute then you can put together a guy who may have been half crushed and stuck in an air pocket.
And it's creepy, but except on your view of Tobi=Madara, I seem to generally agree on you here. (I'm pretty bitchy and really disagreeing.)
See ya all tomorrow! good night, sleep tight and don't let the Kyuubi bite! :P
Oh, and Gameboy, nice thing to point out the longevity of the Akatsuki members. I somehow had missed that. (I'm serious. Sad, I know)
heres is one thing that has bothered me since the introduction of tobi. When we first see tobi he is talking with zetsu and zetsu is talking back as if tobi were his subordinate, why would he need to talk like that if they were alone, dont you think they could just have a normal conversation as madara and zetsu.
So my idea is that at first tobi was just tobi and really is just a subordinate of zetsu, but as time went on he later introduced himself as madara, this means tobi's body must have been taken over by madara by some means. This would explain that when madara attacked konoha he was not in tobi's body and we also dont know that obito's body was ever recovered, if it were im sure they would have stated something that would tell if it was.
And we also have to remember that kakashi has obito's sharingan, and he has obtained the ms sharingan, that being said im sure that we dont know everything about obito because if kakashi is able to call upon ms using obito's implanted sharingan than that could very well mean that there is something special about obito since he has the same sharingan.
To gameboy:
But when you talk about Uchihas sharingan it's a all diferent matter, their kekkei genkei it's only one that's not always active. Some exemples:
Byakugan
Mokuton
Kage jutsus
Aburame's bugs
The Sharingan is activated when the user wants to, if he doesn't the their are just normal. And only a Uchiha can activate the sharingan, kakashi only get his one because obito had his sharingan activated at that moment and he can't deactivate it. So my point is, when only Uchihas can put a "on/off" in the sharingan so if Obito after tranfering his left eye to kakashi deactivated his other eye, enemies couldn't use it because they aren't Uchihas.
And again Obito's body was weak at that time of course, but in one year it probably was healed.
to gameboy:
Well you said it urself about orichimaru:
he keeps living by using souls and other bodys well thats EXACTLY wath madara is doing but with obito's body!
about the others of akatsuki:
ur right some of them are VERY old and cant die but maybe its something within there clan ore something
but we know about the uchiha clan that u cant live for 150years ore something
to gameboy:
you said to daniel that why madara takes obitos ody and why not some other uchiha body?
well maybe madara planned al this before the death of obito.
maybe he already waned to take his ody but when he wanted to take his body he expected 2 sharingans but he only saw 1 of obitos
you also said that obitos sharingan isnt powerfull enouf to control the kyuubi.
well maybe he took his own sharingan en puted it in obitos body with the replecemant jutsu
I dont think Madara is using anyones body but he's own, he might have done some changes to his body but i dont think he's using anyones elses body, It would be so awkward if he's doing something unique to live longer like orochimaru, since he will be the final boss and as the CREATOR of akatsuki he has hiw own unique way of living longer,
Gameboy
hey uh I dont think EMS made Madara immortal, Itachi never said anything Ill be immortal if I take your eyes, He just wanted to surpass madara in "power" By not losing his eye sight. We have a lot of things we have to learn about, the name of chapter 397 is called "The Mistery Deepens!" So after chapter 397 we start to learn more about the 2 strongest current ninjas: Madara, Pain
To Jasmin:
Final villains are not affiliated with side stories.
To Daniel:
You still dont explain why obitos body is so special compared to other uchihas, you just said because hes kakashis friend. So what. That makes his body SPECIAL? So since obito is kakashis friend, it makes the perfect body for madara? lol
To Madrane:
There are many reasons why Madara is NOT using the soul transfer method as orochimaru.
If madara did that, he would have to keep changing bodies, and as you tobito theorist have said,you guys said madara was desperate for a body and needed one right away so he took obitos. but after a couple of years, hes able to switch to another body, but why didnt he then? Its because he doesnt use soul transfer. He wont use such a mediocre technique from a weaker member.
To Cloudstrife:
Read chapter 385 at the end. Itachi talks about madara learning THE FINAL SECRET OF THE SHARINGAN, then calling him immortal. And we also learned he lived during the time of the first hokage. So it would be impossible for him to survive without any special method, and itachi just said he learned THE FINAL SECRET of the sharingan, meaning the ems, meaning the ems must have gave him immortality, it also gives him a permenant sharingan too with no side effect.
OMG PEOPLE I JUST SEEN THE REAL 396! The mask is finally off. No need for me to say anything else. Im finally so happy the whole stupid debate can finally end!
Heres some pics from the chap, they are REAL, CONFIRMED pics, not fakes.
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/459/sfd2q15e56ql3.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/459/sfd2q15e56ql3.jpg
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/9688/rkcor1b9b7pc2.jpg
http://www.facemm.com/p.aspx?u=v20__p_0804032023303098_0.jpg
Translation of some scenes of the chap
Top left
Tobi: Take itachi’s body with you, I’ll be there soon.
Top right
Tobi: I’m the same as you are
I’m also a survivor o the uchiha clan
Tobi: someone who knows the truth about uchiha itachi.
Bottom left
Yamato: go ahead and [???]
Kakashi: [???]
Bottom right
Zetsu: I’m not you, I can travel that far
Tobi(?) since you saw it I’ll assume you recorded it all, right?
Zetsu creepy: don’t worry, I have it all recorded.
trans of pics:
Last:
Tobi: see ya!
Some questions and answers about the chapter
サスケは疲れてるのか無反応
Sasuke is probably tired as he is unresponsive.
トビ
デイダラのこと
イタチのこと
自分のことを話す
Tobi talks about Deidara, Itachi, and himself.
最後に なんと 仮面剥いじゃった剥い
At the end, he (Tobi) takes off his mask.
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questioner: サスケは自分からトビについていったのか？
Q: Did Sasuke follow Tobi on his own?
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サスケは眠ってた
Sasuke was asleep.
あとイタチは死にましたwww
And Itachi was dead lol lol lol ( "w" in this case is the Japanese equivalent of "lol")
ゼツよりトビが早くサスケのとこに着くってとこで
Tobi gets to Sasuke's place faster than Zetsu
・イタチの死体をもっていく
And carries Itachi's corpse.
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questioner: ちょっと流れが分からないんだが
サスケは1回おきてトビと対峙するんだよな？
そしてまた眠っちゃうの？
イタチの死体だけ持っていくの？
Q: I kind of don't understand what's going on but Sasuke wakes up once and confronts Tobi, right?
And then he goes to sleep again?
Do they only carry Itachi's corpse?
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トビとゼツが
Tobi and Zetsu
眠ってたサスケと死んだイタチを
Take a sleeping Sasuke and dead Itachi
アジトみたいなとこに運んだんだな
to a hideout kind of place.
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デイダラとイタチの話しても
サスケが無反応だったから
仮面をとったわけさ～
Even when he (Tobi) talks about Deidara and Itachi, Sasuke is unresponsive, so that's why he took off his mask.
それまで無反応だったサスケもビックリwww
And the unresponsive Sasuke up to that point was surprised lol lol lol
言葉では説明しなくいが
It's hard to explain with words but...
仮面を剥いだトビをみて
Sasuke looks at Tobi without his mask
サスケは左目のほうだけｼｬﾘﾝｶﾞﾝが発動
右目はフツーの目[/spoiler][/quote]
And Sasuke activates the Sharingan in his left eye only.
The right eye is a normal eye.
Glad this whole debate is finally put to rest now!!!
to gamboy:
wow nice!!!!!!!!!!
if u look at the pics u see its indeed not fake but i cant say who tobi is by looking to the pic wath do you think?
Obito had an older brother who was Tobi. That's why Tobi has the opposite eye of Kakashi. Obito's older brother obviously came when Tobi was injured and took the other eye that we thought was damaged.
To Miguel:
Right when kakashi and rin were gone, more boulders fell on obito, not just that one boulder. So Obitos one eye that was left was completely destroyed. How the heck would someone take it out if its squashed and destroyed? Ive heard alot of things, but ive never heard of obitos brother, lol.
if obito had an older brother he would be uchiha so therefore he could of been trying to get the mangekyo sharingan. maybe obito older brother specialized in forbidden jutsu and he had one that healed his little brother or something only to take his sharingan. lol pretty far fetched but ya never know this is kishi
i dont even think obito has a brother, if he does it has never been mentioned. But this tobi thing has gotten me stuck, i hope they reveal tobis physical identity soon, we all know he is madara but that is obviously not madaras face or body.
To ?????:
Look at kakuzus body. Is he super wrinkly? He was alive during the time of madara as well. But he has no extreme old age body. Why? He has an ability that allowed him to live longer.
Clearly madara did the same, since other akatsuki members could. But its obviously not the same technique as orochimaru. Because if he was in obito, he would be able to leave after 3 years, and most tobito theorists here say he took obito because he was desperate, but why didnt he leave after the 3 years to another uchiha body, maybe one he killed from the massacre? Exactly.
Plus, it was shown in one of the chapters where tobi was in the valley that he talked about the snake and the hawk and said it like the snake was a weaker form, meaning he wouldnt use such a technique like orochimaru
anyways 396 has tobi removing his mask
To gameboy:
Ok I have to admit that Tobi doesn't look like Obito in that pic. But 1st you can't see it all, and 2nd 16 years have passed, so maybe Obito's body being possessed by other person can get older faster, like some kind of rejection. We have to see more to get some conclusions.
And what is that stuff of sasuke only activating the sharingan in one eye were did you saw that?? Don't get to excited lol
To gameboy:
I never said that Madara's jutsu was the as oro's, I said it was similar, so we don't know how long can he stay in the same body, what I think is because madara's jutsu is better he can stand much longer in the same hoster.
To Madrane:
Give it up with the obito theory. Chapter 396 showed some of tobis face and it didnt look like obito at all, not even close. Plus, sasuke was shocked after tobi removed his mask, like he saw him before. And what did sasuke see during his fight in the valley of the end? Madaras statue. And the guy in the statue (madara) was the same guy sasuke was looking at, so that explains why sasuke was surprised after seeing tobis face.
Look at tobis face again
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/459/sfd2q15e56ql3.jpg
it has alot of bags and his skin is old and saggy.
you do know that the moment the spoiler came out, the rest of the tobito theorists gave up. I dont see why you continue
gameboy
you should read my earlier post gameboy, in it i explain that tobi was not always madara but madara started inhabitating tobi's body during shippuden, and im not saying that madara uses orchimaru's way of obtaining life or kakuzu's way, but each person in the manga that has a prolonged life span has a very unique way of doing it, so im saying that madara has his own way of doing it.
And if you've seen the spoilers, the part where tobi reveals his face, i dont think that really looks like madara uchiha, but i cant say for a fact that its obito either because it doesnt give us enough of the facial features. But my opinion still leans towards tobi being zetsu's subordinate and then being taken over by madara, and that is why zetsu used to treat tobi like anyone else but now treats him like a leader.
and i dont think its even possible that it can be orchimarus technique because the third hokage stated that he orchimaru created that technique himself.
To gameboy:
No, disagree, Sasuke was shocked because Tobi have the sharingan, so not being kakashi he only could be Madara that Itashi told him about, and what did Sasuke said to Itashi?? that he was going to kill Madara next to him. That's the reason, its Hate because he knows Madara's destroyed his Clan
TO ??????:
Tobi is just an alias, its the fake name he uses, since he hid from everyone. And Akatsuki is tight in security and privacy. They made one big mistake after letting orochimaru come and leave with important information about them. So thats why they introduced "tobi" to everyone without telling them who "tobi" really is, because they didnt want the same thing to happen again. So thats why tobi is acting differently, so he could be like another person in front of everyone.Deidara sure fell for it. Kisame sure fell for it.
The "tobi" act was planned. Zetsu is a high ranked akatsuki. So they decided to test him. So in the past when tobi was first introduced, zetsu didnt know that madara was tobi. But later he learned from them that it was, and they trust him since hes an elite in their organization.
To Daniel:
It still doesnt change the fact that tobi is only madara, no one else
To ?????:
I don't think that Madara took over Tobi, that doesn't make sense, because Itashi said that Madara was his mentor, that told him how to get the MS and the EMS, long time ago. The reason zetsu spoked with Tobi that way was because Deidara was near them, you remember that right next to Tobi grabbing Deidara's hand he came out shoooting at Tobi. Zetsu, because of his Hight senses, probably saw Deidara from the start.
To gameboy:
I say it again the pic isn't clear enough, did you read my post about the age stuff??
to gameboy:
lol so wath he doesnt look like obito???
we only saw the 11-year old obito???
and the pic only shows the left side of the face
it can be that when obito had the big rock on his left side of his body his faced changed a bit so im not giving up^^
To gameboy:
Good point Madrane, you just made me remember one thing, Obito's his probably full of scars from the accident, so the face sufered Big changes
daniel
im not tlaking about when tobi and zetsu are by deidara i am reffereing to the time when they were recovering sasori's ring, no on was around them at that point.
daniel
and why would that change the fact that madara is still itachi's mentor. even if madara was not in tobis body, it wouldnt change the fact that madara was capable of teaching itachi.
To ?????:
Yes you don't see Deidara nowhere but is suspicious that right next to Tobi get deidara's ring hand Deirada comes out of nowhere shooting at him to not put his hands on that. So he was probably very near, and Zetsu maybe saw him before he appears and talked that way because Deidara could ear something.
to gameboy:
i just came up with something
u told me that when sasuke saw tobis face he was shocked because he already was the face but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont sasuke ALREADY know about madara because itachi told all about him so why should he be "shocked"?
secondly :
so he was shocked so he alrready know the face ????
well it can be that he knows the person already ???
it can be that he knows the person from back then when he was a child before the UCHIHA TRAGEDY
lol srry for bad english ill tell beter
i just came up with something
u told me that when sasuke saw tobis face he was shocked because he already know the face but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont sasuke ALREADY know about madara because itachi told all about him so why should he be "shocked"?
secondly :
so he was shocked so he alrready know the face ????
well it can be that he knows the person already ???
it can be that he knows the person from back then when he was a child before the UCHIHA TRAGE
madrane
gameboy is saying that sasuke has seen madaras face before from the statue at the valley of the end, but not from his childhood.
Daniel
remember when zetsu and tobi are in the cave after the sasori, sakura, and elder chiyo battle, when they were there deidara was busy trying to find his other arm in the forest where he was figting kakashi and naruto. So he could not have headr anything zetsu and tobi wre saying. they were at least a mile apart.
To gameboy and madrane:
Sasuke was shocked because the only Uchiha left is Madara that Itashi told him about, and he stated that he would kill him next, that's why
to ????:
i am not talking about childhood but so wath itachi took sasuke in his genjutsu and showd the face of madara but the madara he and WE saw was the same as the face at the statue in the valley of the end^^
To ?????:
How do you know how much far he was? when you change scenes, it is possible to pass many minutes, or even hours in fact. See the manga again, when you see that scene of Tobi. The konoha shinobis had already leave the forest a while ago, and were reviving Gaara.
In fact that scene with Tobi is in the next Volume, give up lol
to daniel and ????:
lol srry but i dont understand a thing about u guys wtf u guys talking about ???? srry can one of u guys tell me???:p:D^^
To madrane:
lool It's because ????? said that the first Tobi we see isn't Madara and that he only took over him some time later.
mmmmmmm he got a point because tobi changed after a couple of times
but if it is as ????? say why isnt zetsu AGAINST tobi when madara took over his body??? i mean zetsu and tobi were very close
To madrane:
Just read our debate from the start and you will understand.
ow ok^^
So what do you think madrane??
To Madrane:
Quote from you
"but!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dont sasuke ALREADY know about madara because itachi told all about him so why should he be "shocked"?"
I meant his face. Well ofcourse sasuke knew about madara from itachi, it was clearly stated in chapter 385. I meant sasuke finally saw his face :/
To the rest of the tobito theorist:
My job in debating the tobito theorist is done. When the next few chaps come out, you'll finally understand that a side story character has nothing to do with one of the final villains.
daniel
ch. 280, pg.17
it shows deidara in the forest about to start looking for his arm, and in the next scene it shows zetsu and tobi in the cave that was sasori's grave, kakashi and naruto followed deiadra all the way into the forest when kakashi took deidaras elbow with his ms, judging from where deidara is in that scene and where tobi and zetsu are your saying that its possible for deidar to hear tobi and zetsu when they are not even in contact with one another.
To gameboy:
Yeah agree about tobito's theory lets just wait, but read my previous post about sasuke shoked expression:
"Sasuke was shocked because the only Uchiha left is Madara that Itashi told him about, and he stated that he would kill him next, that's why"
I know this is random but i finally found more proof that sasuke took drugs.
The other scene i showed before was the drug he got from the sound, but most people disagreed with me. Then explain this. They even said drug too!
http://i27.tinypic.com/4selv4.jpg
Gameboy
i wont debate any more about obito/madara/tobi anymore cause it just seems to go in circles, but if it indeed comes to be the madara is not obito i will gladly admit my defeat to you and give you all the props you deserve, and ill say i was completely wrong the whole time.
but im still sticking with obito, I gots to keep my hope...lol
To gameboy:
Totally agree with you, with guys like orochimaru and kabuto, drugs to get stronger isn't big deal
To ??????:
Dont worry about it, you dont have to. Its cool. I too wanted obito to be part of tobi because it would make the perfect story, but alot of things prove its not unfortunately.
Yeah agree with ????? of course if it isn't Obito's body I will admit lol, but is just perfect to the storyline, if he isn't I will be very disapointed with Kishi, he will have to make it up very nice.
no its cool gameboy, if im wrong ill gladly admit it, it doesnt matter if your wrong what matters is you admit when your wrong and dont act like an asshole, so if obito is not involved you deserve some gratification.
and its kinda hard to believe that kishimoto only made kakashi gaiden to show how he got the sharingan, you could already guess from the scar on kakashi's eye that it wasnt his originally
What is hard to believe is that kishi made up all this similarities and suspicious little things for nothing. Is like showing a kandy to a kid and then eat it yourself in front of him lol.
to gameboy:
ur right we onyl need to wait a few days untill we know who tobi really is lets talk about other subject of naruto^^
ow i also will tell im TOTALLY wrong about obito=madara=tobi IF tobi isnt obito^^
so i agree woith ????? to^^
lol his nickname makes me laugh:p
Thi obito thingy is really getting redecilous, seriously >_>; its soo oldd and its dead, ppl still bring that fact up. MADARA IS USING HIS OWN BODY, AS YOU CAN SEE THE LINES THAT HE HAS BELOW THE EYE.
Please take a look:
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/459/sfd2q15e56ql3.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u119/zeata007/chgn.png
I just realized something else, you can see Tobi sweat from his mask as if he was burning hot, and look at the color of his skin its brown, like shishios from Reruoni Kenshin.
Shisho also had a burned body and wrapped himself up like a mummy.
Even soon when madaras face is completely shown as if he were young people will go like "No its obito, BUT HE HAS GROWNED UP" >_>;; Please stop with those theories, they're not making it anywhere now days . Tobi - Madara.
I just realized i made a lot of mistakes in my last comment, hope you guys can understand it >_>; sorry i just got up from sleep
Firstly
Hey gameboy good to see you, welcome back man.
Ok We have no idea who is stronger, the 4th or madara, and I am not sure sure why they are being compared,
As for tobi
There are so many reasons he could be wearing that mask that it would take a life time to mention them all, simply saying he is obito is far fetched, as for the evedence tobito people give,
There names are spelled alike only 1 letter is defrent, Not True, in english they are spelled alike but in japanese they are nothing alike
He wears the mask cause half his face is crushed, again we dont know his face is hurt all, there could be many reason he wears the mask, maybe he jsut dosen't want people to know he is a unchiha.
They got the same eye, not true, all sharingans look pretty much the same in stage 1, but if you look at tobi's eye out line the white area, it is shaped like sasukes, yet obito's was shaped like naruto's.
Yeah I have to admit, that eye doesn't look like Obito's at all, but I'll wait and see the rest of it. Why does he use only one eye, when the MS need two eyes to work 100% ??
Zetsu said: in one eye the most powerfull genjutsu, in the other the most powerfull ninjutsu.
Cloud strife
Your theory.......gay.
Hes not sweating. It was raining, god. Even in the pic when revealing his face its dry.
Hes not even bandaged up in the picture. Madara is only wearing a head band and he is covering the right side of his face just like kakashi.
I was skeptical at first when i heard people say tobi is obito when the theory came out, but seeing this picture it makes sense its possible.
plus we all know that kakashi is going to do all it takes to kill Tobi with his ms.
Gameboy thanks for the spoilers.
Hey what do you think Madara wants with Sasuke??
If its not his body, what else??
Sasuke will definitly try to kill him in the first oportunity
Who knows what madara wants with sasuke's eyes its still a mystery.
This arc is letting alot of information slip in a relativley short time, i think this arc is gonna end with the defeat of madara and pein, and then there might be another time skip, this time it will be concerning naruto and sasuke.
mistake, i meant to say who knows what madara wants with sasuke, not with sasuke's eyes
Maybe is not only the eyes, dunno.
I don't think Pain and Madara will be defeated any time soon, even Jiraya that was stronger then Itashi couldnt beat Pain, and Madara is even stronger, Sasuke is to weak now, and all that konoha shinobis couldnt make a scracth in Tobi and he was playing around.
Maybe Madara will take Sasuke by force, or Sasuke joins him for now to gain more power after get his ass kicked. And there's even Kabuto that is after him.
I really look forward the fight between Naruto and Pain since Madara ordered him to capture the Kyubi. Still I think Pain will win this time.
jacklax
I dont know u lol, since you havent been posting much or maybe at all at this website, But I'm starting to hate you already, I dont like ppl who act like smartasses, Honestly i slap ppl for who act smart,in the real life, i dont slap ppl in the internet because simply i can't. Why I'm starting to hate you already? "your theory....GAY", that's why. Hey look Im not trying to cause any beef around but uh next time say stuff more politely like "its raining" not GAYY.. when you say stuff like that its like... You think you know everything But in reality you know shit. Okay that's all I wanted to say.
im guesseing alot of theories are either gonna be broken or confirmed in the next few chapters, first one is if madara is in obito' body, second one is if team konoha and team hebi meet up it will be determined if sai and suigetsu are brothers from another mother, maybe even how kakashi got his sharingan, and what happens when the ma toad reveals one of peins bodies to tsunade and pa toad reveals the secret information on his back.
OMG I just got the new chapter.
Tobi doesn't have another mask beneath the first one, that black think is his hand because he is removing his mask. So next chap we'll see the all thing!
Sorry from my previous post, Sasuke indeed activated the Sharingan in one eye.
And I have to admit that probably I'm wrong and it's not Obito's body.
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/17/
I absolutely loved this manga (396). Wtf Madara speaks the truth about Itachi? Shit wtf is it going to be? How Itachi never killed anyone in the clan? And sasukes wish for killing Itachi was in Vain? lol Seriously I need to know NOW about Itachi!!!
So uhh the whole thing with pain Saying that he's god and better than Madara was fake then?
Had a fucking feeling it was
Yes all that God thing of Pain is because he have gonne mad lol, traumatized child. Yeah maybe Itashi wasnt that bad, at the last moment he only touched Sasuke's forhead like always.
I think the biggest mysery right now is tobi's true face and the reason only one of sasuke's eyes initiated the sharinagn in ch. 396
396 confirmed it was tobi.
I'll quote the last page of it.
"Tobi/Uchiha Madara finally shows his face"
That was from the last page. If you dont believe me it said that, go here
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/396/17/
I knew it all along. The reason why its so big on tobi removing his mask is to show how he looks currently, not who he is, they already told us that.
By the way, i think tobi will tell sasuke how itachi was just a sacrificial lamb in his diabolical plan and how itachi was really nice not evil.
Yeah Tobi was Madara that I knew a long time ago, since that conversation with Pain.
What I didn't knew was if Madara was using Obito's body or not. With this chap. I think I was wrong, unfortunatly.
Fine, I give! I can no longer deny that Tobi is Madara! They do say right in 396 that Tobi is indeed Madara! Look at the bottom of the page and it does right out say Madara!
I'm a sore loser, so you all suck. :P
But i forgive you :D Laterz
There is something about Sasuke vs Itashi's that is freaking me out, Zetsu said that Itashi wasnt at 100%, that probably he was already injured before the fight.
Could it be Madara? We saw that is favorite was Sasuke, maybe Madara made that to make sure Sasuke could won. That's why Itashi, usually always cool, was freaking out when he spoke of surpassing Madara, maybe was rage and hate agains his mentor for what he made to him.
I can't wait to see Chapter 397!!
Tobi = Uchiha Madara
Confirmed by kishi
I knew it was madara since tobi was first introduced possessing the sharingan. I dont get it how you ppl didnt find it obvious.. And all that talk about Uchiha Madara.. ppl still didnt believe it was him >_>; wtf lol.
I think by now everybody believs he is in fact madara, the thing that keeps people going on about this is that it may not be madaras body and if its not than it could be someone elses body, but i think people should know by now that it is indeed madara uchiha.
I'm glad there's final evidence out now, atleast. There's been way to much fighting and "stfu I'm right and your wrong" and little actual fact. ('till gameboy came back, that is). But anyways, I'm sure there will be a lighter mood here now.
I'm glad there's final evidence out now, atleast. There's been way to much fighting and "stfu I'm right and your wrong" and little actual fact. ('till gameboy came back, that is). But anyways, I'm sure there will be a lighter mood here now.
Hey guys you know what i dont understand. Tobi said Him and sasuke met before.....so that definitely means its not obito, but.....wtf, when did he meet madara? i still believe its only madara, no one else, but why did he say he met sasuke before? Maybe he meant sasuke saw his statue....or did he?
next chapter will clear up EVERYTHING we need to know about tobi. I'll be sure to update you guys with spoilers, the ones that are most likely to be true and try to provide pics. Until then, laterz
To Gameboy:
First of all thanks a lot for coming back...Second I think what Madara meant when he said we've met before was when he fought Deidra..Sasuke did see him in battle, but its only a guess it prob. means something else..But I still dont understand why Sasuke was shocked, like how does he even know what Madara look like...But i guess were right we have to see..
Also to gameboy: I know that the manga made said that the ems made Madara immortal, but I think they were talking about his eyes, like his eyes will never go blind. It was prob just a mistake like the Madara being the founder of Uchihas or not...
sorry for the mistakes..Im in a rush and didnt have a chance to look over
gameboy
I think tobi wa refferring to the sasuke deidara fight when he said weve met before cause right after he also said "dont worry about deidara" so i think its safe to assume that was the only time those two met before.
Tobi did meet sasuke b4 though, when he faught deidara, tobi was with him. So yeah, and sasuke striked at tobi with a direct hit on one his his vital points and got back up with no problem lol. Sasuke: this guy!! O.O!
Yeah Madara was probably talking about Sasuke vs Deidara.
About Obito I keep beleaving I will wait to see the entire face.
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